file Windows 7 x64 Ultimate - Swap File

8 years 5 months ago #14163 by levyte357
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate - Swap File was created by levyte357
In process of building my next main PC, and was wondering if 8GBram is enough, for running with decent performance, with swap file/virt mem turned off.

Currently have 2x 4gb sticks of DDR3, so intended another 8GB RAM in about a month.

Or could just run with 2nd Hard disk, dedicated to TEMP dir/Swap file as usual.. :lol:

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8 years 5 months ago #14173 by nickyburnell
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Runs like a dog woth 4gb and no swap. (32bit)

Small Solid State drive?

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8 years 5 months ago #14174 by levyte357
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nickyburnell wrote: Runs like a dog woth 4gb and no swap. (32bit)


smiley11

Not SSD, have a few 80gb SATA drives hanging around the place...

Wondering if I should put system, page file and temp dir on disk 0, and leave 2nd drive purely for data.

There are performance gains when data & system/swap file are not on data disk.

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8 years 5 months ago #14175 by bee
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do you mean run your operating system on one drive and your programmes on another........

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8 years 5 months ago #14176 by nickyburnell
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No, Windows has a swap file (page file/virtual memory) that it uses.
As hard drives are actually slow compared to ram, the holy grail is to run without one.
Real world coding of Windows actually makes it debatable as to whether this is advantageous, but on paper with enough ram it should be cool.
Now we have 64bit the possibilities are endless (for now).
Putting the swap file on a separated drive is seen as advantageous (especially now with dual and quad core) as the mundane swap stuff can be kept away from the actual data processing.
Having it on a separate PARTITON is of no use at all, as this uses the same (IDE/SATA) controller. Has to be a separate drive on a separate channel.

It is a lot more complicated than this explanation, registers, instruction sets.......blah.

Lev: Are the dual/quad cores able to take advantage of this? Do they realise and split the work load?

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8 years 5 months ago #14177 by bitzo
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you can pimp a bit more your system by enabling hyperthreading. On swap side...there's another technique, buy a sata raid controller, configure a raid 0 with 2 hd (7200rpm, pay attention on cooling), only used for swap. You'll see unique volume for both hd with twice size and speed (just in theory).

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8 years 5 months ago #14178 by levyte357
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nickyburnell wrote: No, Windows has a swap file (page file/virtual memory) that it uses.
As hard drives are actually slow compared to ram, the holy grail is to run without one.
Real world coding of Windows actually makes it debatable as to whether this is advantageous, but on paper with enough ram it should be cool.
Now we have 64bit the possibilities are endless (for now).
Putting the swap file on a separated drive is seen as advantageous (especially now with dual and quad core) as the mundane swap stuff can be kept away from the actual data processing.
Having it on a separate PARTITON is of no use at all, as this uses the same (IDE/SATA) controller. Has to be a separate drive on a separate channel.

It is a lot more complicated than this explanation, registers, instruction sets.......blah.


Indeed.

nickyburnell wrote: Lev: Are the dual/quad cores able to take advantage of this? Do they realise and split the work load?


Good question..

Cpu micro code/assembler instructions to handle paging/swapping have been around for decades, not sure what Intel has packed into Multi-core x86 cpu's, to help Windows be grown up like UNIX/Linux. :lol:

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8 years 5 months ago #14179 by levyte357
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bitzo wrote: you can pimp a bit more your system by enabling hyperthreading. On swap side...there's another technique, buy a sata raid controller, configure a raid 0 with 2 hd (7200rpm, pay attention on cooling), only used for swap. You'll see unique volume for both hd with twice size and speed (just in theory).


Yes, would normally indulge in some Hardware "madness" like this... :lol:

However for next PC, running Windows 7 x64 reliably and stable without driver issues is priority, so I've done the unthinkable.

Bought Dell 780 Mainboard/Tower case, as this model accepts standard size Optical Drives & PSUs.
Case (as is) supports only 2x HD disks, So has to be optimal 2x disk Solution this time.

@Bitzo, apologies for not replying re:MS18, PM Nick for info we "discussed". smiley2

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8 years 5 months ago #14189 by nickyburnell
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levyte357 wrote:

nickyburnell wrote: No, Windows has a swap file (page file/virtual memory) that it uses.
As hard drives are actually slow compared to ram, the holy grail is to run without one.
Real world coding of Windows actually makes it debatable as to whether this is advantageous, but on paper with enough ram it should be cool.
Now we have 64bit the possibilities are endless (for now).
Putting the swap file on a separated drive is seen as advantageous (especially now with dual and quad core) as the mundane swap stuff can be kept away from the actual data processing.
Having it on a separate PARTITON is of no use at all, as this uses the same (IDE/SATA) controller. Has to be a separate drive on a separate channel.

It is a lot more complicated than this explanation, registers, instruction sets.......blah.


Indeed.

nickyburnell wrote: Lev: Are the dual/quad cores able to take advantage of this? Do they realise and split the work load?


Good question..

Cpu micro code/assembler instructions to handle paging/swapping have been around for decades, not sure what Intel has packed into Multi-core x86 cpu's, to help Windows be grown up like UNIX/Linux. :lol:

Quite:
smiley23

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All in the space of a thumbnail

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256 KB L2 cache
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Hyper-Threading is again included. This had previously been removed at the introduction of Core line
781 million transistors
Intel Turbo Boost Technology
TDP 130W
Introduced November 17, 2008
Socket 1366 LGA
3-channels DDR3
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Mind you, as an old techie mate said once when discussing this: You cant see bed bugs either smiley36

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8 years 5 months ago #14204 by levyte357
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nickyburnell wrote: Core i7


As a rule, I never spend more than £50-60, on CPU upgrade.

So I guess I'll have to settle for my recently acquired Q6600, +16Gb DDR3, until Core i7 is in my price band... :lol:


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