Can they?

So real world, same drivers, lets say XB's or 186's. Can a mini scoop be as loud as a 2 x18 reflex, or is it all down to the witchcraft that is throw?
Obviously more amp power on the 2 x 18, lets ignore that, end result is the question. 40 to 100hz ish.

nickyburnell wrote: So real world, same drivers, lets say XB's or 186's. Can a mini scoop be as loud as a 2 x18 reflex, or is it all down to the witchcraft that is throw?
Obviously more amp power on the 2 x 18, lets ignore that, end result is the question. 40 to 100hz ish.

PD186 or XB can't take the power required to make mini scoop louder than 2x18.

And there's only one mini scoop I've heard that could possibly do it.

Load it with PD1850, V18-1000, Turbomax 1200, walk in the park.

To design your own mini scoop, to equal 2x18 in SPL, really needs certain compression ratio.. E.g, negative expansion..

Cue the "uniform horn expansion lobby", who have never heard the King of mini scoops... :lol:

levyte357 wrote:

nickyburnell wrote: So real world, same drivers, lets say XB's or 186's. Can a mini scoop be as loud as a 2 x18 reflex, or is it all down to the witchcraft that is throw?
Obviously more amp power on the 2 x 18, lets ignore that, end result is the question. 40 to 100hz ish.

PD186 or XB can't take the power required to make mini scoop louder than 2x18.

And there's only one mini scoop I've heard that could possibly do it.

Load it with PD1850, V18-1000, Turbomax 1200, walk in the park.

To design your own mini scoop, to equal 2x18 in SPL, really needs certain compression ratio.. E.g, negative expansion..

Cue the "uniform horn expansion lobby", who have never heard the King of mini scoops... :lol:

because it's still a glorified BR :lol: when will peeps learn that short a-se was never a designer

if we're going to go back to this old biscuit, then this thread needs to be deleted.

i guess the bottom line is; what do people want, not what designer they want

flipside, can think of a few people who have mentioned they actually don't like the s'man mini- so yet again, it's "everyman..."

mykey- wrote: because it's still a glorified BR :lol: when will peeps learn that short a-se was never a designer

In that case Mykey, why is it the shorty mini can smoke any 1x18 reflex/Rhino, keep up with many full scoops, and play outside no problem ?

Have personally engineered set using 4x of those to cover 500 people.. Also used same set outside..

Check the results of the Birmingham scoop shootout again to see the shorty evenly matched in output with ASS S118.

So I guess it's not just a "fancy" reflex box. :lol:

saul wrote: if we're going to go back to this old biscuit, then this thread needs to be deleted.

i guess the bottom line is; what do people want, not what designer they want

flipside, can think of a few people who have mentioned they actually don't like the s'man mini- so yet again, it's "everyman..."

Glad Nicky started this thread in the FSP::R&C Forum.

This way the thread "will" be kept in order, and any posts falling foul of the regulations, will be moderated. smiley20

Don't care what some people think of shortman or his mini...

The fact is it can be used instead of full scoops in many venues, and it set's the standards for mini scoops. And is respected by many of the UKs top roots sound men.

CERTAINLY didn't mean to start that again, FFS.
Enough people say the cabs are brilliant, so no matter what you think of their namesake they obviously are very good.

Anyway, back on subject Mykey: Based on Rays answer, lets up the anti to a driver that is Reflex and Mini friendly and man enough.

So two Turbomax or B&C TBX (as these both I believe can do reflex) in a 2 x 18 or one in a mini.
Does the woodwork really keep up with the extra driver?

2x18 vertically stacked?..may be... also depends from the port distance from ground. real mesurement should be the ultimate answers. Have we to call the mythbusters? smiley36

or a scoop vs reflex shoot out......... could arrange for this to happen at the next fsp meet......

Reason behind this question is the amount of 2x18's now used by big shows. Cardoid set-up etc,