Size: 62x62x62cm

Frequency: From 40 Hz up to 110 Hz

Enclosure Type: Hybrid

Recommended DriverKappalite-3015lfKappapro-15lf-2kappa-15lf or  drivers with EBP of 100 or higher; Fs (27-50 Hz), Qts (0.21 - 0.41), Vas (150 - 300 L) / (7.4 - 11.1 ft^3). Where EBP = Fs / Qts (strictly speaking it's Fs / Qes)


Cubo 15: Cubo is a multi purpose, stand alone bass bin that will equal or out run a single 18" BR*, of similar size, from ~ 40 Hz and up in terms of sensitivity. Utilising a non-expensive driver such as the Eminence 3015LF, Kappa 15LF and Kappa 15LF Pro** and a cut list from a single 18 mm*** sheet (244 x 122 cm) / (8' x 4') with a single angled cut, Cubo 15" realizes a cost effective, small and light weight enclosure following the KISS-principle.

Development: In 2007 the first prototype was build and tested. Cubo 15" is the 4th prototype in a line of hybrids aiming at the achievements as stated above.  The measurement below shows the gain over the stated bass reflex (see * for details). Cubo 15 plans are also available in an Imperial version, plan available on request.

Versions: As a rule of thumb:

Qts x Vas > 120, Cubo Standard
Qts x Vas = 100 - 120, Cubo Extended or Standard
Qts x Vas < 100, Cubo Extended
Qts x Vas < 50; Cubo 15 Extra Extended

Magnet orientation:

The driver mounted with the magnet visible (the magnet in the horn) typicall gives the lowest bass response and slightly better cooling of the voice coil. Mount the driver with the magnet inside the chamber for most output around 60 - 80 Hz or the highest possible crossover frequency.

Footnotes:* 18Sound 18LW1400 in a 175 liter bass reflex tuned to 37 Hz. (6,6 ft^3) vs. Cubo 15 ; Eminence Kappa 15LF.          ** Apart from these drivers Cubo will work with a wide variëty of 15" drivers preferably with an EBP of 100 or higher; Fs (27-50 Hz), Qts (0.21 - 0.41), Vas (150 - 300 L) / (5.5 - 11.1 ft^3). Where EBP = Fs / Qts.  If you're uncertain if a driver is suited, PM or mail me at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.         *** If you want to use 15 mm material use 11-ply Baltic birch, nothing less. Plans available on request.

Designer: Cubo15 [view profile]alt

 

Cubo 15 Standard Plan:

Cutsheet (clearly visible after download):

Cubo 15 Extended Plan:

Cubo 15 Extra Extended Plan:

Only the 2 inner horn panels are different from Cubo 15 Extended, all else equal.

 

 

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Cubo15 replied the topic: #25003 2 weeks 10 hours ago
Both the STX W.38.1200.8.MC and W.38.800.8.MC look good on paper, except one thing, the weight of the drivers doesn't correspond to such T/S-parameters: Normally you wouldn't use the physical weight of a driver to base it's performance on, but since all these drivers have ferrite magnets and from the looks of the photo's also have aluminium baskets, you would expect better overall performance with an increasing physical weight.

The 1508-8 SPS BWX for example, weighs 7.7 kg but it has a high-ish Qes (less magnet needed) and small Xmax (4.7 mm again less magnet needed), so those numbers add up.
The Kappa Pro 15LF, weighs 10 kg, has a medium Qes and Xmax, and a 3" voice coil instead of a 4" voice coil like the Black Widow has. Again those numbers add up.

The STX W.38.1200.8.MC, weighs 7.5 kg, (claims a large voice coil and Xmax, medium Qes) and the T/S-parameters suggest it would would be close in performance to the 15TBX100, however the 15TBX100 (also large voice coil and Xmax, medium Qes) weighs 12.3 kg.

So something is off, as I'm rather safe than sorry, I would exclude the STX drivers from the list.

1) Kappa Pro 15LF
2) Black Widow 1508-8 sps (or the Kappa 15LF, 9 kg but a steel chassis)

Cubo
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nemsik replied the topic: #25001 2 weeks 14 hours ago
Hello Oskar,
I have used two "W.38.800.8.MC" from two different series and I think they are quite weak speakers, so I don't know if the "W-38-1200-8-MC" will be much better.
Currently, I have loaded 15TBX100 and the difference is big.
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oskarociak replied the topic: #25000 2 weeks 14 hours ago
Hello Cubo.
Can you judge which of these speakers is best for the cubo 15?
a) Kappa pro 15 lf2
b) Black Widow 1508-8 sps
c) STX W.38.1200.8.MC
Thank you in advance for your answer
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Zambrotta replied the topic: #24992 1 month 1 week ago
but the one loaded with the 2226 is the meanest of them all thank you for the design brother
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Zambrotta replied the topic: #24991 1 month 1 week ago
ok thank you for your feedback Cubo I already have 3 x Cubo 15 extended two of them loaded with p.audio bm-15w and one with the p.audio p150/2226h and their spl is amazing....
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Cubo15 replied the topic: #24989 1 month 1 week ago
Hi Zambrotta,

That's a good driver for Cubo 15 Extended, only drawback is the short Xmax, therefor a 40 Hz high pass is advised.
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Zambrotta replied the topic: #24985 1 month 1 week ago
Hello Cubo I would like to try out the Cubo sub 15 but I only have a p.audio p150/2226 15inch driver that one with a blue basket at my disposal what are the chances of it doing well in that cabinet
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Cubo15 replied the topic: #24980 2 months 1 week ago
Hi,

It's 30 Hz vs 40 Hz. I''d go for Qts below ~0.4 and Xmax over 7 mm, if you elaborate your question, you'll get a more sophisticated answer ;)
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Zambrotta replied the topic: #24979 2 months 2 weeks ago
Hello Cubo how are you...can you shed some light on the difference between the Cubo sub and Cubo 15....also what kind of drivers would work well inside the Cubo sub
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Cubo15 replied the topic: #24973 4 months 3 weeks ago
I do like the old 15PS100 over the newer 15PS100, I would place the old version on par with the 15G450N, while the newer version is on the bottom of the list, below the JBL, which in hindsight is a close second to the 15G450N.
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nemsik replied the topic: #24972 4 months 3 weeks ago
What do you think about B&C 15PS100 in Cubo15 extended?

Unfortunately but I found two different datasheets:
1) www.bcspeakers.com/en/products/lf-driver/15-0/8/15ps100-8 ("new")
2) images.thomann.de/pics/prod/260670_datasheet.pdf ("old")

Please tell me if "both" speakers are good for Cubo? Which will be better?

--edit--
I ask because the "old" 15PS100 has EBP = 100Hz but the "new" has only 82hz. The recommended value for Cubo is 100 or higher. 
The "old" has QTS = 0.31 but "new" has 0.43, where recommended is 0.21 - 0.41
The "old" has VAS = 152 but "new" has only 103, where recommended is 150-300

The "new" 15ps100 is suitable for cubo15?

Thank you
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giveortake replied the topic: #24971 4 months 3 weeks ago

In the footnotes freespeakerplans.com/plans/14-plans/basscab/44-cubo15 the email has a mistake.


Thanks for this, I have now corrected the email and profile links.
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nemsik replied the topic: #24966 4 months 3 weeks ago
Thank you, I've emailed to you
In the footnotes freespeakerplans.com/plans/14-plans/basscab/44-cubo15 the email has a mistake.
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Cubo15 replied the topic: #24965 4 months 3 weeks ago
questionsaboutcubo at gmail dot com
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nemsik replied the topic: #24964 4 months 3 weeks ago
Hi, Mr. Cubo
Is your email correct? Unfortunately, I can't send the message to you.
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BwoySkanky replied the topic: #24942 6 months 3 days ago
Bonjour tout le monde, je suis nouveau dans ce topic déjà et ausi dans le monde de la construction heu Autonome de son sound ? je sais pas si ca se dit mais je suis seul sur mon projet ^^, fin bref..

J'aurais quelques tites question désolé, en faite j'ai pour projet de me faire un ''''mini'''' Sound spécialement pour style: Reggae,Steppa,Dub....

Et donc je me renseigne et je tombe sur le mignon Cubo 15 que je ne connaissais mais alors pas du tout et vraiment avec les retours de certains et autres ca ma carrément donner envie faut dire alors voilà, j'ai acheter un HP
the box Speaker 15-300/8-A
Puissance: 300 Watt RMS, 1200 Watt crête
Impédance: 8 Ohm
Réponse en fréquence: 50 - 4000 Hz
j'ai aussi vu que si on utilise du 15" il serais recommander d'utiliser du Multipli bouleau donc je vais chercher ça demain les planches mais en attendant je me demandais quel filtre utiliser pour les basse et a partir de quelle fréquence ?.. merci beaucoup pour votre temps de pri pour me répondre et désolé du roman....

Derniere chose:
Dans l'avenir j'aimerais bien une tite tour comme ceci vous en pensez quoi ?

1 Cubo 15 ext/1 Cubo kick/T2v et par la suite la doublée alors je voit en grand voir trop grand pour comencer et seul en + ? ou est-ce possible d'un coté sachant que le temps et l'argent n'est pas un probleme ha oui sachant que je me suis renseigner sur cette config car ca me parraisser budget Moyen fin bon c'est vous les pro, je suis juste jeune amateur.

VOilà fini désolé encore et merci beaucoup :)
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Cubo15 replied the topic: #24916 8 months 1 week ago
That's interesting, it's a bit larger than I thought, the difference between Extended and Extra Extended is much smaller, to the point that I wouldn't mention it.

Cubo

 
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Nugget replied the topic: #24910 8 months 2 weeks ago

Extended stands to lose the KISS-principle, 3 angled cuts instead of 1, no backward compatibility between Standard and Extended because of cut sheet differences and construction. All the while I don't think you'll simulate a significant difference let alone measure something.
 

I am not quite sure how you mean this. Probably you just meant that you wouldn't measure a difference between a cubo extra extended and a cubo extra extended with slightly different first panel.
BUT since i often read in this forum, that Cubo standard and Cubo extended don't differ from tuning because of the longer port / smaller chamber relation, let me just say that i measured totally different. In my measurements (and i have measured at least 5 different Cubos (or extended) from different builders/build periods), Cubo ist tuned at around 47,5 hz, while Cubo extended is Tuned at around 40,5hz when used alone (a stack of four lowers tuning only by 1 hz to 39,5hz). Apart from tuning, there is also lower upper extension for Cubo extended. At cubo extended it's about 138hz, while it's way higher on Cubo standard (i don't have the measurement on hand right now, it's about 170-180hz if i remember correctly).

Don't get me wrong, i like Cubo extended a lot ( i use 4 with RCF LF18N401), but you need special care with the crossover to the midrange driver. I eq out the resonance, set at good LP and time align the 2 sources using a RTA like SMAART and still, there is phase issues above 180hz, because of the bad high frequency exctension. The idea to use them together with normal size horn tops without a kick is not a good one...
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Cubo15 replied the topic: #24907 8 months 3 weeks ago
Send an email to questionsaboutcubo @ gmail dot com

Cubo
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oskarociak replied the topic: #24906 8 months 4 weeks ago
Can I get plans for 15mm?
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Cubo15 replied the topic: #24905 9 months 4 days ago
Your gut feeling is important but you seem to have difficulty substantiating your claim in measurable terms. What exactly is the benefit of the optimization of the flare rate and how would one measure that? I think the reflectors are small compared to the wavelengths involved and thus do not have a significant influence on the frequencies involved.

There's a few things to consider as designing a (bass) cabinet is about compromises, any 'optimization' of the design will lead to at least one 'downgrade' in another field of performance. What you call an optimization of A, someone else will just call B performing worse.

An expanding horn with length X will not tune as low as a non-expanding horn of the same length, based on excursion minima, although this might not necessarily show as such in the frequency response. In other words, increasing the flare rate of the horn will decrease the tuning frequency. Secondly any increase in horn volume, be it by length or horn circumference increase, will lower the volume of the rear chamber which will further increase the tuning frequency, unless the increase in horn length offsets the decrease in rear chamber volume. You could opt to decrease the horn throat but this will increase the compression ratio, which can lead to unpredictable behavior (beyond simulation) and possible damage to the driver on high power levels. To keep the design favorable to a wide range of drivers, with unknown quality within the Qts x Vas range, the compression ratio is best sparingly increased if at all.
Regardless of how you combine these factors, unless you keep the horn volume from increasing, your optimization of the horn flare will decrease the low bass output and increase the peakyness of the lower response. Resulting in worse time behavior below 100 Hz and less low bass output, in return for better time behavior above 100 Hz and a slightly higher allowable crossover frequency.  

If you're interested in the time domain, look at the group delay, phase and impulse response in Hornresp. They're however not always straightforward in their practical meaning and as your suggested changes are small, so are the differences in these graphs, it might be impossible to call one better then the other. For me it's the combination of simulating, building and hearing multiple designs that gives me a feel for how to interpret the combination of these graphs and what is desired, I'm positive I do not understand as much of it as I could or would like to. 

If you're not really sure how this flare rate optimization does improve characteristics to what extend and in what way, I suggest opening a topic about it on diyaudio.com, not only will you find more like-minded souls but also the wealth in knowledge currently lacking either of us
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TommyBear replied the topic: #24903 9 months 1 week ago

Knowing the above frees the ability to look at the segments from a different perspective, the Extra Extended segments approximate a hyperbolic horn contour, giving a lower tuning at the expense of output near the 50 - 60 Hz mark. If you keep the horn mouth the same, a smoother horn flare rate will decrease low frequency extension, while increasing output near that same mark.
Extended stands to lose the KISS-principle, 3 angled cuts instead of 1, no backward compatibility between Standard and Extended because of cut sheet differences and construction. All the while I don't think you'll simulate a significant difference let alone measure something. Feel free to try though.

 
If the Extra Extended abandons the KISS principle to some extent, why not optimise this first segment further? The first 'channel' segment serves - if I have understood the explanations correctly - to extend the horn. Here, too, I have the feeling that the design creates an avoidable resonance that is reflected in the in/out vibration behaviour - but perhaps my gut feeling is simply deceiving me here...

Would it be an approach to improve the approximation on the one hand and the stability on the other hand by using two conically arranged boards in this first segment? Or, with less material input - and less gain in stability - to make the segment boundary not parallel to the lid? In any case, the desired extension of the horn would be achieved.


Curious Sunday greetings
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TommyBear replied the topic: #24902 9 months 1 week ago

Consider the size and behaviour of the frequencies involved here. A wavelength at 100 Hz is 3.4 meters, at 10.000 Hz it's 3.4 centimeters, so at 10 kHz your thumb is a considerable obstacle but at 100 Hz your entire arm isn't. Likewise, at 10 kHz this horn is a complete mess but at 100 Hz and below it isn't noteworthy. You might find a stepped segment response to have the same order of performance.

It is clear that due to the wavelengths in the frequency range under consideration, the approximation of a horn contour is easier/less problematic than in the mid-range or high-frequency range. In my opinion, however, this only applies to the consideration of the amplitude curve over the frequency. The discontinuities definitely lead to reflections and these should be reflected in the transient and decay behaviour. I don't have the experience here to know how strong this is and whether the effort is worthwhile through - still discrete - but more continuous transitions between the segments.
How do you assess this from your wealth of experience? Efficiency losses/reduced sound pressure due to overall volume reduction but better behaviour in the time dimension?

Greetings
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TommyBear replied the topic: #24901 9 months 1 week ago

I'm not sure why there's a lack of reports on the 15LB100, I know it has been used a few times. I'm expecting it to work as intended.

 
Unfortunately, I can only find German-language contributions that are all without 'depth' and therefore do not help me. I had assumed that the loudspeaker could be found in other countries under a different designation, hence the question.

At Thomann there are two more budget speakers presumably from the same Chinese source: 18-500/8-A and 15-300/8-A. Is there any experience regarding the use of the 18" in the Cubo Sub? And the other 15" should be usable in the Cubo Kick 15 - its low maximum excursion should allow a safe operation with a 4th order high pass filter in the range of 100.125 Hz...

Cheers
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julius111 replied the topic: #24900 9 months 1 week ago
the top for this rig was built after this plan: celestion.com/blog/build-this-compact-10...y-pa-speaker-design/

i have used a different horn, though. they suggest x-over 2.1khz, but that sounded too honky for me.
kept increasing until i was happy with the result, listening to jazz albums i know well. the limiting factor in any case is the amplifier board, great set of features but lack of engineering finesse.

best, J.